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Most of the games are 5 reel video reels. Bets range from 8 cents to $8.80. There are two things to consider when choosing the bet level. The top row of betting buttons drive the number of gold symbols on the machine. For 8 cents you get 1 gold symbol. For 88 cents you get 5 gold symbols. The gold symbols raise the pays in the base game for that particular symbol. For example 5 non gold boats pays 10 but 5 gold boats pays 100. (not sure on the exact numbers but hopefully this gives you the gist of it). Anyway, the second row of betting buttons are bet multiple buttons. 1x to 10x.
If I recall the rules correctly, for all the 5 reel games, the number of gold symbols also make it possible to win larger progressives... 1 gold (8 cents) = no progressives, 2 gold (18 cents I think) = mini only ($10-15 typically) on up to 5 gold (88 cents) = grand (starts at $10k), major, minor, mini.
On this version of the game, I tried playing 88 cents (5 gold symbols / 1x bet multiple). I was up or even on 6 or 8 consecutive machines and that's when I started thinking I was on to something... Not so sure now since I ran into a couple of rice bowls that just would not close.
Speaking of closing the rice bowl, on this game I found 10 rice bowl levels that are 5 wild symbols apart from one another. If you start with the emptiest rice bowl you are 50 wilds away from the fullest rice bowl. After the rice bowl is full, the coin picking feature comes. It seems like it is typically between 80 and 100 additional wilds collected, but I've seen it be far less or far more. Also, I have occasionally seen the rice bowl close with less than a full rice bowl.
One other notable thing about the 5 reel game... In free spin mode all the lower paying symbols like A, K, Q, and J go away.
I wonder how I could apply a value to each gold symbol bought... Almost like playing the lottery less the top jackpot but with a lower priced ticket.
There is also a 3 reel version of the game that works essentially the same way but there are not any A, K, Q, or J symbols on the reels. In the 3 reel game, the minimum bet level is 88 cents and all symbols are gold. The max bet is still $8.80 per spin.
Depending on the version of the games with this functionality, the rice bowl graphic progression may or may not be the same. For 88 fortunates and du fo whatever they are the same. For the tall deluxe machine, they are different.
- There is definitely a random element to triggering the coin picking bonus.
- I've seen it trigger more times before the pot if full, but when the pot is full, I'm finding it closes on average around 70-80 collected symbols.
- When choosing the coins and it hits the mini jackpot about 90% of the time. and the minor the rest of the time... I'm assuming Major and Grand will hit sometime, but quite infrequently.
- The symbols you are trying to collect (fu bats?) you get about 1 every 4 spins of so.
- Mini starts at $10; minor at $25; major at $800; Grand at $10K
So here is what I'm thinking, to keep it simple evaluate mini only conditions...
If I take 75 collected symbols X 4 spins per symbol, I get 300 spins.... It's probably better than this because of the free spins feature.
If I play for $0.18 per spin so only the mini is in play, that's $54 coin in.
Assuming 80% payback on the base game and the free spins, I'm going to lose $10.80 waiting for that rice pot to close.
If the mini is $10.80, then I'm in the neighborhood of break even.
If the mini is at $15, I have a 7.8% advantage.
Am I doing this right? Probably not... Criticism is welcome.
Next thought... Does anyone know what happens in the free spin mode when I play for $0.18 (one gold symbol) in the main game? Do all the symbols go gold in free spin mode?
Oh... Merry Christmas!
To get 75 collected spins might close the pot on average but that is only after the pot is already full. You also have to count the spins and symbols it takes to get the pot full. My calculation is it takes many symbols to collect before the pot is even full. So when someone wins sat the mini and starts over.....how many total symbols does it take? That will take a lot more money.
I thought I had covered that in a prior post but maybe not. Actually it's worth revisiting because I noticed something new with filling the bowl...
Initially I had counted 5 Fu bats between each level of coins in the rice bowl and 10 levels until full. After that, a random close based on collection of incremental Fu bats, but averaging somewhere around 75 more for 125 total Fu bats to close.
When I noticed the pot adding coin level off the normal 5 Fu bat schedule, the pot closed before it was completely full.
At first I theorized that there was a non visible virtual wheel where every time a Fu bat was collected some spaces were populated with a progressive jackpot winner space... The more Fu bats, the greater the chance of landing on a winner. Unfortunately that would not explain why the 5 Fu bat count per coin level in the bowl changes and the rice pot closes early. Maybe I lost count? Dunno...
Anyway, take all this with a grain of salt. I'm not a pro at analysis of slot vulturing. Actually, UX aside... This is my first crack at it. It could be a total wiff.
I think it would be helpful to calculate the value of the meter, but since these machines are linked im at a bit of a loss how to calculate that. I do get the feeling that making up $.80 from meter rise would not take much.
As a result, I think the play as I described is +EV, but in a very low rolling capacity.... Or, I'm dead wrong.
I posted this because the edge is so small and the denomination so low, I could not imagine this doing harm to anyone's capacity to make a mortgage payment and because selfishly I want to know if I'm thinking about slot analysis correctly.
Do you know why they call it 88 Fortunes?
I'll bite. Do tell...
The other day, a couple were playing 88 Fortunes at 88 cents and the bowl was completely full and never closed to give them the Progressive, even after they spun like 100 times. That was beyond disgusting and I felt so bad for them.
If you read the Help screen, the verbiage has something to the effect saying the number of coins in bowl has no effect.
The coins are for entertainment value.
I've played them a bit. I don't have records for it specifically, though. It seems like the coin bonus isn't good enough to make it +EV, even if the mini/minor are really high. I've hit the major (the one that's $800-$1k usually) 2 or 3 times, I've never hit the grand ($10k+). If they're +EV, I can't imagine they are by much. I don't play them anymore, unless I want to put some slot play on my card, which is rare.
It's a game slot hustlers or bonus hustlers (aka AP who play slots) would chase. The term they use is 'it's a play'.
As with any uncapped progressive jackpot, there will be an amount that causes the game to be +EV (and the variance notwithstanding). The rule is despite being +EV, you still need to take the jackpot down (aka you may lose money chasing a +EV situation).
Most of these bonus hustlers will gather empirical evidence[A] and then work backwards. They also make assumptions about the house edge. Then it becomes a math problem.
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[A] If these are class 3 machines, then the machine has no memory, each spin is random, etc. So the bonus hustlers use the Law of Large Numbers, e.g. collect data of when the progressive hits -- usually, 30 data points or obversations is enough data to use to risk chasing after the jackpot. Separately, with the 30 data points, they have a good idea of the house edge and variance (low watermark or biggest drop as well as swings).
I chased bonus slots as a hobby in the past and most bonus hustlers will not invest $$$ to get the 30+ observations. One reason is because it's a slot machine and the manufacturer can change the chip without anyone noticing. Additionally, that each casino can choose different settings.
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I used to use this simple rule: Observe 100 'independent' Jackpots and the top 3 to 5 values will give you an idea of +EV. By independent, I don't mean looking at the same jackpot more than once per day. If the jackpot didn't hit today, then record the next day's value. If the jackpot still has not hit, just record one data point per day. I learned in life that the market clears at the market price. There are a lot of smart ploppies and smart bonus hustlers.Grand Jackpots Slots
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